Klaus B.: I read that the healing water from the Nordenau mine is sold in bottles all the way to Korea. That speaks for its durability. So if there is a natural source of activated water in Germany, why should you buy a water ionizer that technically produces the whole thing?
In Germany, Nordenauer Stollenwasser is not sold as medicinal water, because even the owner of the mine does not claim that it is medicinal water. If you buy a ticket for a stay in the tunnel, you can buy a canister to fill yourself with the water there, but you do this at your own risk and don't have to pay anything for the water.
The fact that Nordenau Stollenwasser is often presented in connection with electro-activated alkaline water is possibly because it was mentioned in connection with alkaline activated water in a scientific study by the Japanese professor Sanetaka Shirahata. (Protective mechanism of reduced water against alloxan-induced pancreatic beta-cell damage: Scavenging effect against reactive oxygen species Cytotechnology, Volume 40, Numbers 1-3, 2002, pp. 139-149). Together with the Mexican Tracote water and the Japanese Hita-Tenrysoi water, Shirahata describes the Nordenau water as NRW (Natural Reduced Water), which, like electrically reduced basic activated water (ERW), has a content of active hydrogen (hydrogen anions). should be seen as the decisive factor for effectiveness against free radicals.
As far as the water from the Nordenau tunnel is concerned, apparently no one has yet contradicted or confirmed this statement about the active hydrogen. Shirahata, who is a leading figure in the Japanese water ionizer scene, uses the healing water fame of Nordenau, Hita and Tracote water (not recognized in Germany) to provide a natural model for electro-activated water. In Japan it is particularly important to have a natural model for activated water, which is also reflected in the name “Kangen” water (“Back to the origin”).
Because of this comparison, many now believe that there is natural alkaline activated water in Nordenau. However, that is not the case. The water from the tunnel may actually be enriched with active hydrogen in the slate tunnel. But it has neither a negative redox potential nor a highly basic pH value. My measurements on site, which were also checked 3 hours later by Dipl. Ing. Dietmar Ferger, were pH 8,19 and ORP +134 mV (CSE).
There is natural alkaline water up to around pH 9, but it is not antioxidant, for example in quarry lakes, large mountain rivers, wild rivers or in puddles after a thunderstorm. The Inn near Passau mixes with the Danube with a pH of 8,24 and an ORP of 71 mV (pH 8,07, ORP +105 mV). From the Bavarian Forest, the Ilz joins in from the north (pH 7,89, ORP +94 mV). After mixing the three rivers, the pH value (on a specific measurement day) at the Passau gear factory was pH 8,1 and the ORP was +114 mV (CSE). So much base powder that flows unused to Austria... This water is shaped by the rock over which it flows.
There are also natural antioxidant waters. A torrent near Bad Höhenstadt flowed through a sap clover meadow with ORP -5 mV and pH 6,9. In Bad Füssing, thermal water recognized as healing water with an ORP between -224 and -264 mV (CSE) comes from the depths of the earth. But this healing water is only antioxidant and not highly alkaline, but almost neutral (pH 7,35).
The combination of high pH value, low redox potential, abnormal cation richness, high content of hydrogen in molecular and, according to Shirahata, also anionic form is only found in basic activated water from an electrolytic water ionizer. This combination only exists during his —> Relaxation time.
The tunnel in Nordenau probably helped many sick people and is a place full of mysticism. A few kilometers away in Schmallenberg-Fredeburg there is also a miraculous healing tunnel in which no water is offered. (Abela Heilstollen). It also seems to work and they advertise a special air there. A publication by Deitmar Ferger also points to flowing air in the slate mine of Nordenau, which is said to contain 1664 ppb of hydrogen above the spring shaft. In the Nordenau water of the tunnel itself it shows a reading of 323 ppb. (http:// wasserstoffwasser.de/nordenau-auch-hier-wirkt-der-wasserstoff/ on July 24.7.2016, 1000). So it seems that at least when the source shaft is open, a small amount of hydrogen is dissolved in it. In fact, Trustlex-ENH XNUMX used in Ferger's article shows values in moist air above hydrogen-rich water, which I can confirm through a control experiment. However, whether this indicates a real hydrogen value would have to be clarified. In any case, the manufacturer developed the device to measure dissolved hydrogen in water and this measurement does not correspond to the range of uses of the device. In a comment on Mr. Ferger's page I therefore wrote:
This is probably fake information: according to Henry's Law (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry Law) The same amount of hydrogen would then have to be present in the water as in the air measured above it, i.e. 1664 ppb and not just 323 ppb. Why wasn't the water from the spring measured directly? It should also be 1664 ppb. According to the manufacturer Trustlex, the ENH 1000 measuring device shown does not have the ability to measure hydrogen in the air. If you fill the water in the tunnel into one of the canisters sold there, it already has a hydrogen content of 0 ppm. The same goes for the plastic bottles sold worldwide because the plastic allows the hydrogen to outgas within a few hours.
There may be therapeutic effects in the tunnel from hydrogen gas inhaled from the spring and shale pores. This also explains the empirically proven success of the Abela Heilstollen slate mine in Schmalenberg, located near Nordenau, which is attributed exclusively to the air there: there is no supposedly healing spring there either. Outside the tunnel and even with the Nordenau tunnel water in plastic bottles, there is no evidence of any healing effect. The healing spring of the Europa Therme in Bad Füssing, which is state-recognized in contrast to Nordenau, makes it more honest and still contains 10 ppm of hydrogen 501 minutes after filling. Nobody there claims that you can bottle the healing spring water and take it with you without losing its healing properties.
Dietmar Ferger then becomes completely unbelievable with his cross-reference to the page “Are water ionizers still useful?” There he writes: “Water ionizers, such as those offered by Aquion, Tyent, Sanuslife, IonQuell, Kangen or Enagic etc., produce alkaline water ionized active water also contains some molecular hydrogen - the effect of this water is based on the molecular hydrogen, not on the pH value or the free electrons, but this hydrogen is very volatile and there is no direct connection between the pH value and the Amount of molecular hydrogen, i.e. there are devices that produce a lot of hydrogen at low pH values, others produce very little hydrogen even at high pH values." (Source: http://wasserstoffwasser.de/sind-wasserioniserer-noch - makes sense/ July 24.7.16, XNUMX). These claims: “some molecular hydrogen” – “free electrons”…are without any evidence and false. Because: The solubility of molecular hydrogen is not related to the pH value of the water. A higher pH value only affects the redox potential.
Water ionizers, which store less hydrogen in the water than other electrical or chemical “ionizers,” are either not adapted to European water conditions because they provide too little electrode surface or too little electrolysis current.
Here is an example in which measurements were also taken using the “fake” measuring device from Truslex for clarity.
Ferger has recently started using pure hydrogen devices. Although he was the first to introduce water ionizers in Germany, he was apparently desperate because he didn't have any powerful devices in his range that could store enough hydrogen in the water. In fact, his previous “Ionquell” devices were not exactly leading in this regard. According to his own statement, his current hydrogen water devices only deliver 800 to 1000 ppb of hydrogen. Even if they delivered this with European water, it would still be 1/2 less than good water ionizers adapted to Europe, which store up to 2000 ppb of hydrogen in the water and also make the water alkaline, which should not be underestimated in its health effects .
But they don't deliver 800 to 1200 ppb at all. The “Tumbler” (red device on the right) sold by Ferger did not deliver more than other hydrogen boosters on the market in a test with 0,5 liters of Volvic mineral water. (10 min. operating time).
Excerpt from the book by Karl Heinz Asenbaum: “Electro-activated water – An invention with extraordinary potential. Water ionizers from A – Z”
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